Just wanted to share that this was an amazing and super informative article. As someone who was raised and fully involved in a super strict high demand Christian religion for many years, it is refreshing to see people who are honest with themselves and others about what the Bible actually says versus what leaders want out of their followers. Thank you for all of the research
Surely it is the evil one who has revealed these “Biblical truths” to you. Twisting what is obvious to every person whose conscience that has not been seared. That’s what Satan tried to do with Jesus, same tricks, same enemy.
I Counsel women who have had abortions.
They come to realize pretty quickly, that they were deceived by the devil into killing their baby who’s life had been set into perpetual motion, and she halted it. No amount of cherry picking and partial truths will change the fact that you will stand in judgment for your decisions. I don’t say that gleefully I say that heavy heartedly.
Turn to God and beg forgiveness while He can be found.
There is absolutely NO WAY that you replied to a comment with "WiLl yOu bUy mY NoVeL?" For you will know them by their fruits, for no bad tree produces good fruit and no good tree produces bad fruit. Brother I pray earnestly that your eyes would be open to the injustices you have not only done to scripture and the authority that you hold in that Bible, but the injustices your teachings have done to people who follow this. Multiple scriptures that you brought up were plucked without context, and did not mention the fact that God not only "knew" His creation before their birth, but "knit", "formed", "chose", and created male and females to reproduce with the idea that there would be a living being from that action. The baby Jesus leaped in His mother Mary's belly, and I have no doubt in my mind that there is life before a baby breathes it's first breath on earth for my home is not of this earth.
Absolutely disgusted that your first interaction with someone who disagreed was asking if they would buy your book!
Either way, grace and peace to you from our Lord Jesus Christ, and have a blessed day my friend.
Funny how the comments are all clearly from anti-abortionists. Especially the one with the graphic detail of abortion, which would only even be accurate if the fetus was developed enough to have a clear head. And people aren’t having abortions past the point of viability unless it’s medically necessary. But fun fact, there are also abortion pills! Which do not include any of the grotesque imagery. And like you said– the Bible has absolutely contemplated far more grotesque things.
I am Christian. I believe in God. I believe God is merciful and forgives sins. WE are not to stand in judgement of other’s choices, be they sinful choices or not. We are commanded to love our neighbors as God loves us, with mercy and grace. God is omnipotent, God has THEIR plan for every one of their children, and still terrible things happen to their children every singe day. Who are we to say God’s plan for the woman and a fetus is not for her to be changed and brought closer to God because of her choice of an abortion?
God provides us free will. God allows us to sin, so we can see his mercy and forgiveness; to learn from it and be brought closer to him.
There is so much judgment and condescension from the Religious Right on abortion that it drives many people AWAY from God and his teachings and his light. It creates the darkness they claim to repel.
Thank you for writing on this topic. People can still believe in God and be Children of Christ and not want government trying to take away their ability to make free will choices for themselves.
John 4:23-25--23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and Truth: for the Father requireth even such to worship him.
Luke 1:41 – “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Psalm 22:9-10 – “Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast. From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God.”
Psalm 127:3 -Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.
Maybe the term 'abortion' is just too abstract. Having the affair reduced to a simple term misses the nuance. And of course, late term abortion is a wee bit different from the 15 week limit most civilized countries have mandated.
For the later term, instead of 'abortion', how about "The medical procedure where a woman goes to the clinic and has the viable fetus extracted by grabbing its head --which does have a brain and active brainwaves--- with forceps, crushing and turning said head until it snaps off from the torso before cutting off limbs and sucking those out, only to scoop out the remaining torso and its once beating heart."
More descriptive--and accurate too.
Do you even know what an 'abortion' is? [Hint: It's not a choice.] 3 minutes of your time. Watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Af8vIym2o&t=2s [You won't--but you'll sure as hell write about it.]
The Bible doesn't explicitly refer to abortion because its writers never contemplated anything quite so grostesque.
But sure, your post really nails those biblical pro-lifers to the cross!
Have you ever performed an abortion? Have you helped? Do you actually know or are you just speaking out of your ass?
As an actual medical professional who has actually helped perform abortions, you sound literally idiotic. Please stop pretending to know how average abortions work or what is done. You spread misinformation and hate, which is what Jesus was against. I would say to remove the rafter from your eye brother, but I'm not sure you would be able to see it past the bullshit you spouted.
Sounds like you were hurt by the church and now try to contradict the Bible. And I’m deeply sorry if so. Nonetheless you should be very careful with misinterpreting the words of God to excuse murder. Naive women will read this and walk into a clinic to abort their babies. Is that your good fruit? Or the hill God wants you to die on? This is what you want to advocate for? Wouldn’t it rather be building an orphanage? “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, So that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, Weather good or evil.
Great article, thank you. The hypocrisy of people who follow the "Thou shall not kill" commandment for humans, but not all living beings is always astonishing to me. If they really believed it was about life and not control of women they'd all be Vegan.
Actually, the HEH of Hebrew speaks of the Spirit of God being breathed into Adam. The Life.... That is, the "living being" that Adam became was that he had the Life of God within him.
God told Adam, "in the day that ye eat of it, ye shall surely die.", speaking of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
So, did Adam die on that very day? Is God a liar because Adam's body didnt drop dead?
Nope. Adam connection to the Life of God died that day. His SPIRIT died within him because of sin. And God's Mercy allowed Adam's body to continue living.
For the wages of sin IS death. But, the Gift of God is eternal Life.
Same with Eve... Her body didn't drop dead, but her spiritual connection to God was severed.
There is life and there is LIFE.
Just as there is death and Death.
You cannot speak spiritual things with a worldly mouth and you cannot understand spiritual things with a worldly heart.
Murder is murder. And abortion is the murder of that which God would have be alive.
The word "miscarriage" doesn't even appear in that verse in the original Hebrew. Translated below
"And when men fight and strike a pregnant woman ('ishah harah) and her children (yeladeyha) go forth (weyatse'u), and there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the husband of the woman may put upon him; and he shall give by the judges. But if there is injury, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."
And here is the Geneva translation
Exodus 21:22-25
1599 Geneva Bible
22 Also if men strive and hurt a woman with child, so that her child depart from her death follow not, he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband shall appoint him, or he shall pay as the Judges determine.
23 But if death follow, then thou shalt pay life for life.
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
That is why the NIV and some modern day bible verses aren't taken as serious because of its mistranslations. You have deceptively cherry picked and altered a verse by omitting the word "prematurely" from the NIV and added the footnote from the modern day translator, changing the meaning from it's oldest sourses to fit your political narrative.
Look, I get it.. You dislike Christians and pay whole allegiance to a political party. But at least have some integrity in your writing and refrain from deceptive trickery in your work...amateurish at best.
I noted the translation I used for almost all of these, and that one is indeed from the NRSV, the neutral academic's favorite — aka the one taken most seriously :)
I'm a Christian whether you like me saying that or not :)
Just wanted to share that this was an amazing and super informative article. As someone who was raised and fully involved in a super strict high demand Christian religion for many years, it is refreshing to see people who are honest with themselves and others about what the Bible actually says versus what leaders want out of their followers. Thank you for all of the research
This was so helpful. Thank you.
Surely it is the evil one who has revealed these “Biblical truths” to you. Twisting what is obvious to every person whose conscience that has not been seared. That’s what Satan tried to do with Jesus, same tricks, same enemy.
I Counsel women who have had abortions.
They come to realize pretty quickly, that they were deceived by the devil into killing their baby who’s life had been set into perpetual motion, and she halted it. No amount of cherry picking and partial truths will change the fact that you will stand in judgment for your decisions. I don’t say that gleefully I say that heavy heartedly.
Turn to God and beg forgiveness while He can be found.
Hey will you buy my novel https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/novel
There is absolutely NO WAY that you replied to a comment with "WiLl yOu bUy mY NoVeL?" For you will know them by their fruits, for no bad tree produces good fruit and no good tree produces bad fruit. Brother I pray earnestly that your eyes would be open to the injustices you have not only done to scripture and the authority that you hold in that Bible, but the injustices your teachings have done to people who follow this. Multiple scriptures that you brought up were plucked without context, and did not mention the fact that God not only "knew" His creation before their birth, but "knit", "formed", "chose", and created male and females to reproduce with the idea that there would be a living being from that action. The baby Jesus leaped in His mother Mary's belly, and I have no doubt in my mind that there is life before a baby breathes it's first breath on earth for my home is not of this earth.
Absolutely disgusted that your first interaction with someone who disagreed was asking if they would buy your book!
Either way, grace and peace to you from our Lord Jesus Christ, and have a blessed day my friend.
Blessings to you as well. Will you buy my novel https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/novel
I bet you still rape, torture, murder and eat mother animals though... Hypocrisy at its finest 😹😹
You will have to explain to GOD your actions when you stand in front of him one day.
Heck, I'm explaining them right now!
When I was in middle school, I used this exact "you will have to explain this to God" line against people, btw.
Funny how the comments are all clearly from anti-abortionists. Especially the one with the graphic detail of abortion, which would only even be accurate if the fetus was developed enough to have a clear head. And people aren’t having abortions past the point of viability unless it’s medically necessary. But fun fact, there are also abortion pills! Which do not include any of the grotesque imagery. And like you said– the Bible has absolutely contemplated far more grotesque things.
about the least competent exegesis I have ever read
If I were you, I would delete it,
It is an embarrasing understanding of God and scripture
Nah I think I'll share it again instead
I am Christian. I believe in God. I believe God is merciful and forgives sins. WE are not to stand in judgement of other’s choices, be they sinful choices or not. We are commanded to love our neighbors as God loves us, with mercy and grace. God is omnipotent, God has THEIR plan for every one of their children, and still terrible things happen to their children every singe day. Who are we to say God’s plan for the woman and a fetus is not for her to be changed and brought closer to God because of her choice of an abortion?
God provides us free will. God allows us to sin, so we can see his mercy and forgiveness; to learn from it and be brought closer to him.
There is so much judgment and condescension from the Religious Right on abortion that it drives many people AWAY from God and his teachings and his light. It creates the darkness they claim to repel.
Thank you for writing on this topic. People can still believe in God and be Children of Christ and not want government trying to take away their ability to make free will choices for themselves.
we are COMMANDED to judge a righteous judgement John 7:24
If what you say is true then they should also not be concerned and choose mercy for rapists, thieves, and murderers?
Let sin reign because God is good and forgives?
Remember that God killed a man and his wife for lying about their financial contribution.
He hated sin so much that it took the horrible death of Jesus to atone for it. And sin has not changed in its hatred by God.
"Who are we to say God’s plan for the woman and a fetus is not for her to be changed and brought closer to God because of her choice of an abortion?"
what a great new plan for evangelism, just kill all babies under development
You need spiritual and mental help
You're not reading your Bible, arent you?
John 4:23-25--23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and Truth: for the Father requireth even such to worship him.
Luke 1:41 – “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Psalm 22:9-10 – “Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast. From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God.”
Psalm 127:3 -Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.
Maybe the term 'abortion' is just too abstract. Having the affair reduced to a simple term misses the nuance. And of course, late term abortion is a wee bit different from the 15 week limit most civilized countries have mandated.
For the later term, instead of 'abortion', how about "The medical procedure where a woman goes to the clinic and has the viable fetus extracted by grabbing its head --which does have a brain and active brainwaves--- with forceps, crushing and turning said head until it snaps off from the torso before cutting off limbs and sucking those out, only to scoop out the remaining torso and its once beating heart."
More descriptive--and accurate too.
Do you even know what an 'abortion' is? [Hint: It's not a choice.] 3 minutes of your time. Watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Af8vIym2o&t=2s [You won't--but you'll sure as hell write about it.]
The Bible doesn't explicitly refer to abortion because its writers never contemplated anything quite so grostesque.
But sure, your post really nails those biblical pro-lifers to the cross!
This might be the first time anyone's ever accused the Bible's authors of not contemplating grotesque things
Have you ever performed an abortion? Have you helped? Do you actually know or are you just speaking out of your ass?
As an actual medical professional who has actually helped perform abortions, you sound literally idiotic. Please stop pretending to know how average abortions work or what is done. You spread misinformation and hate, which is what Jesus was against. I would say to remove the rafter from your eye brother, but I'm not sure you would be able to see it past the bullshit you spouted.
Sounds like you were hurt by the church and now try to contradict the Bible. And I’m deeply sorry if so. Nonetheless you should be very careful with misinterpreting the words of God to excuse murder. Naive women will read this and walk into a clinic to abort their babies. Is that your good fruit? Or the hill God wants you to die on? This is what you want to advocate for? Wouldn’t it rather be building an orphanage? “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”
James 1:27 NIV
I wrote this article with a clear mind and all my rational faculties, not through the traumatized haze that you're imagining. I stand by all of it :)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, So that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, Weather good or evil.
Great article, thank you. The hypocrisy of people who follow the "Thou shall not kill" commandment for humans, but not all living beings is always astonishing to me. If they really believed it was about life and not control of women they'd all be Vegan.
These are all absolutely twisted. Gods word has one truth and we don’t get to twist and pervert his word. Abortion is murder, and murder is a sin.
I'm so glad that you're also a Vegan 💚🌱 since ALL life matters and Murder is a sin I'm assuming you are
Actually, the HEH of Hebrew speaks of the Spirit of God being breathed into Adam. The Life.... That is, the "living being" that Adam became was that he had the Life of God within him.
God told Adam, "in the day that ye eat of it, ye shall surely die.", speaking of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
So, did Adam die on that very day? Is God a liar because Adam's body didnt drop dead?
Nope. Adam connection to the Life of God died that day. His SPIRIT died within him because of sin. And God's Mercy allowed Adam's body to continue living.
For the wages of sin IS death. But, the Gift of God is eternal Life.
Same with Eve... Her body didn't drop dead, but her spiritual connection to God was severed.
There is life and there is LIFE.
Just as there is death and Death.
You cannot speak spiritual things with a worldly mouth and you cannot understand spiritual things with a worldly heart.
Murder is murder. And abortion is the murder of that which God would have be alive.
Repent!
In Exodus 21:22-25,
The word "miscarriage" doesn't even appear in that verse in the original Hebrew. Translated below
"And when men fight and strike a pregnant woman ('ishah harah) and her children (yeladeyha) go forth (weyatse'u), and there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the husband of the woman may put upon him; and he shall give by the judges. But if there is injury, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."
And here is the Geneva translation
Exodus 21:22-25
1599 Geneva Bible
22 Also if men strive and hurt a woman with child, so that her child depart from her death follow not, he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband shall appoint him, or he shall pay as the Judges determine.
23 But if death follow, then thou shalt pay life for life.
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
That is why the NIV and some modern day bible verses aren't taken as serious because of its mistranslations. You have deceptively cherry picked and altered a verse by omitting the word "prematurely" from the NIV and added the footnote from the modern day translator, changing the meaning from it's oldest sourses to fit your political narrative.
Look, I get it.. You dislike Christians and pay whole allegiance to a political party. But at least have some integrity in your writing and refrain from deceptive trickery in your work...amateurish at best.
I noted the translation I used for almost all of these, and that one is indeed from the NRSV, the neutral academic's favorite — aka the one taken most seriously :)
I'm a Christian whether you like me saying that or not :)
What were the first two